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We don’t hate her. Most of us think she’s just unlikely for Smash as a full fighter.


To expand upon that comment: I don’t hate any characters. As far as all of the character go, I try to evaluate their own chances critically. Are the important, are they special, are they unique? Would they make a great addition to Smash. There’s a TON of bias involved in that, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

With Daisy, we haven’t seen a lot of spin-off content within Smash (Mario Kart being the clear exception), and Daisy doesn’t have a strong connection to the mainline Mario games.


Before Melee, Ganondorf had 1.5 appearances — OoT and the Space World Demo. Perhaps without Smash, ‘Dorf wouldn’t have been so prominent. Maybe we could’ve gotten more Ganon appearances.

As Anime9001 stated, it’s just speculation either way.


Sakurai’s comments about Wolf can be read here.

Sakurai straight up said Wolf was an easy character that could be made — but was requested. He knows there are fans for Wolf, it’s not like he “doesn’t care”. I think Wolf was the character he meant when referring to series that don’t have new entries are prioritized.  When Sakurai began working on Smash for Wii U/3DS, it’s quite possible he didn’t know about Zero and therefore prioritized other characters. I have some other theories in the article where I correctly predicted Wolf wouldn’t be coming back.

I think Ice Climbers are very likely…I just don’t like the term “shoo-in”. There aren’t a lot of guarantees in Smash. 



I listen to Silvagunner’s rips sometimes! I’m aware of that meme 🙂

MEMORY MAN! (@realmemoryman3)

Still waiting on a source. Please respond.

Ville FIN

Thanks for the info!


Already replied in line:

I believe the Gematsu rumor was 100%, some of the staff here don’t believe it, or that it had outdated information.


If you want to see a full retrospective on the Gematsu Leaks check out our articles on it.


Ah, I remember that list. It came out of nowhere…I tried researching to see where it came from and I think I found some random blog. It’s kind of similar how my Perception of Smash DLC blew up. Don’t trust images without reading up on them.


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  1. Someone needs to quiz Sakurai on the Gematsu leak and if he is aware of it. Naturally he won’t comment on which Rhythm Paradise character was planned anyway but its worth a try. Do you know if the Gematsu leak was known about in Japan? If so how many believed it?

  2. Oh, that page of Sakurai responding to why Wolf was in the game was actually the one I was thinking of when I typed that. I’ll admit, Sakurai was much less indifferent sounding towards Wolf’s inclusion in my head from what I remembered, but I think it’s the line where he basically states that the final decision to include Wolf was largely due to his model, and he we wouldn’t have gotten a third Star Fox character otherwise. I admit though, I largely remembered the interview wrong.

    As for the Ice Climbers thing, I can respect that. The turn “shoo-in” has turned somewhat poisonous within Smash speculation, and Sakurai can be extremely difficult to predict. I just don’t think we’ve had another character qualify anywhere near for this title like the Ice Climbers do in quite some time.

    1. And since I can’t (or don’t know how to) edit my previous response, I’ll continue here now that I’ve skimmed the article where you discussed why Wolf was no longer a “shoo-in.”

      The main difference I see between the two is that the deadline/goal for Wolf’s “shoo-in” status kept extending largely because his exclusion had been clouded in mystery. I’m sure being a non-priority character had something to do with it, but the reasons for his inclusion exceeded many peoples’ reasons for his exclusion. But the truth of the matter is, no one knew the exact reason and Sakurai’s thoughts on why he was excluded from the main roster in the first place. On the other hand, you have the Ice Climbers, who Sakurai stated were entirely intended to be included and were in a playable state on the Wii U before being cut on a technicality. Now that this technicality is removed however, we know that the bar for their inclusion, unlike Wolf, has already been met. This alone wouldn’t cause me to call them a shoo-in (although it does already paint their chances above Wolf), but the fact that they’re already completed or nearly created within the game being ported means that they would probably be easier to include than any other new character, or even semi-clone that could be added to the roster. The fact that their bar is passed for when they were supposed to be included and that they would be the easiest character to add from a development standpoint is why I believe they’re an exception to the “no shoo-ins” policy. And for the record, I only care about the Ice Climbers for their Smash history and not really anything else. Well, that and doing 1HP shenanigans were kinda fun. Playing 8 player Smash against 7 1HP Ice Climbers and acting like you’re a god among mortals, littering the land with corpses…..

      Oh, sorry, just reminiscing a bit on old times. Anyway, I miss them from a nostalgic standpoint, and to goof off, but they’re not really a character that I care much about from a personal standpoint. This is just my outlook on their chances from a logical standpoint in my opinion.

      And no need to reply btw. I kinda just re-iterated myself, and your point still stands. I just sorta disagree with it in this case.

  3. Hello you guys of source gaming.
    Im watching you guys for quite some time and i really like your content (especially when its about defending something like the clones who got enough hate) and i always look forward to the featured coments.

    However there is one thing that “annoys” me a bit and its the possible new content of a (still rumored) switch-port of Smash 4.
    Off course i would like to see new stuff added (if a port is coming) but i think people are going a bit overboard with it. I think we can be lucky if we get new content at all. It wouldnt surprise me if we just get a port with all the dlc.
    Seeing people talking about how they want at least 5-8 new characters and a bunch of new modes really makes me afraid of all the salt this might make. I think you know well how people like to overhype themself for something (and then get dissapointed for something that was never promised at all) Especially after what happened with the smash ballot.

    Maybe im just to negative on that topic but i think it would be better if we just calm down a bit and wait until something oficial is coming.

    Anyway thats just my 2 cents.
    Looking foward to your next articles.

    Greetings from germany
    Jocario Zero

  4. Well being in the Space World Demo indicates they wanted to have him continue to appear on the Gamecube rather than be a one-off. Given that Wind Waker is a sequel to Ocarina of Time (even before the Timeline was released it was confirmed in the intro) and Ganondorf’s actions had a huge effect on the world, I doubt it would have been a change added in 2002, especially given that Wind Waker was in development in 2001 and most definitely before Melee released.

    Also, don’t forget Ganondorf was supposed to appear in the Oracles games (http://zeldawiki.org/images/b/bf/Ganondorf_OoX_concept.png), which released 10 months before Melee. They clearly didn’t intend him to be a one-time thing.

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