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Lately, I’ve been thinking about ways to increase exposure to the unsung heroes of Source Gaming, you!

We get some of the best comments any site could hope for. They are informative, interesting and (usually) very kind. Thank you very much!

Here are some great comments that if you don’t check the comment section, you might have missed (From January 1st to January 8th, Japan time).
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I do agree with the part of “Sakurai is NOT lying”. I don’t even remember of him lying about something throughout any presentations, which including every Directs, Twitter, Brawl’s updates, and Miiverse. Well, there were times he was teasing about certain things, but he never lied about anything as I could recall. For example, when he introduced the Pyrosphere stage for the first time through Miiverse, he stated that someone from Samus’s nightmare will appear in that stage. He also showed a shadow of that creature in the Smash Direct before too during his explanations of stage bosses. Yes, he has teased that Ridley will appear in that stage as a boss character, but he never said any single word of Ridley being playable. Besides, teasing isn’t lying. He does it because he doesn’t wanna spoil the fun. He also joked that ZS Samus wouldn’t return too before in the first Smash Direct, and joking isn’t lying either.

There are also times that he’ll change his mind too. Back in Brawl, he stated that Animal Crossing and Nintendogs weren’t eligible to be in Smash because they weren’t fitted to fight. But after the Brawl’s completion (and during KI:U’s production), he decided to bring Villager to Smash as he researched the character’s uniqueness and possibilities to be a fighter. Changing his mind isn’t lying either. He has a plan which only he knows, but some can be changed to improve that character to become upgraded or newly playable, or some can be declined for certain difficulties like lack of machine power (Ice Climbers), lack of western popularity (Takamaru), etc. He has a mind of imagining how that character can work in Smash, which uniqueness is what’s important for every characters in Smash.

I don’t know if I can still recall Wolf as another Fox clone than Falco or not, but just like PushDustIn said, he’s not unique. He’s another “Land Master user”, something that Wolf never used in the original game, and seemed to be too simple. But I can say that’s a problem with any Star Fox characters, its difficult to imagine what kind of uniqueness any Star Fox character have than riding on a laser-shooting vehicle. That can be said the same to any F-ZERO characters too which explains why there’s no new character for that roster. Any characters from a jet-fighting shooting game and racing game is difficult to think of how they could fight in for Smash. Most of those characters may end up being clones for similarities but different power levels. Whether to call Wolf a clone or not, he’s still one of them.

I still don’t know why people think that this isn’t the final DLC. Sakurai DID stated that this will be the last, but many hardcore fans still believe he’s lying for no reasons. Eventually, I don’t even know why there a lots of people worshiping Wolf to return to Smash 4. Where did this false heat even came from? Why they don’t wish for other than Wolf like the Snake and Ice Climbers? And I do hear this “Smash 4 for NX with more expansion of new contents” thing all over the place…where did this even come from anyways? Is Nintendo really planning for it? Where’s the source because I’ve never heard such info before. Seriously, if this is one of those hardcore fans making up some meaningless rumors and some craps like that, then they shouldn’t be credited at any cost as they’re hyping irresponsibly.  —PROOF That Wolf isn’t Coming Back
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I was already midway done with Is Sakurai a Liar? when I saw this comment. I was really happy because I knew that zoniken would really appreciate the upcoming article!

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Dear Lord, how do you manage to write so much about music? I don’t think I could ever analyse it so deeply, but then I didn’t even think about it this way until you started this feature.

I’m also surprised and a little disappointed that you didn’t cover the main theme of this iteration, as it is by far my favourite theme of the series. Still, it was very interesting to be able to see such insight into the music of the series, and I do feel that, musically, Smash 4 is a little lacking in terms of identity compared to the other iterations when it comes to remixes. —Music to Smash to 4: Super Smash Bros for 3DS/ Wii U

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 Wolfman_J worked really hard on that article! I also didn’t realize he didn’t cover the main theme, so I thought it was a particularly useful post.

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Personally, I would have liked Wolf in Smash 4, the only reason being that I like the character in general compared to the likes of Falco, not meaning to bash on Falco fans/players.

I find Wolf not being included in Smash 4 a bit odd, I know with this, people might already disagree, but I mean Wolf is a Nintendo character, and the series is already represented in Smash, so it’s not like getting him into Smash 4 would require too much negotiating* (*as far as I’m aware.)

So Lucas made it into Smash even though nobody outside of Japan “officially” played Mother 3.
and how the series ended years ago, but that’s the thing, there’s a lot of people who want Mother 3 to be released outside of Japan, whether it’s an actual demand or just a running joke with NoA, I can see that there is a lot of love for Mother 3, so Lucas coming back wasn’t too shocking, however, I wouldn’t find Lucas not making the cut for Smash 4 wouldn’t have been surprising either. I don’t hate Lucas to be clear, I played Mother 3, I love Mother 3, I like Lucas, I prefer him over Ness.

Now for a controversial thing here, Lucas and Wolf are pretty much semi-clones, if not at all to some people, so really either would’ve made it, and obviously, one of them did, that said, Wolf may have been able to make it in, but Lucas was much more popular. Sucks for people who wanted Wolf, such as myself, but we’ve got quite the cast (Despite a couple clones) and I’m loving it.

TL:DR Wolf would have been a viable candidate to return, but I believe Lucas’s popularity (Character or Game) is one of the factors for him not returning.  —PROOF That Wolf Isn’t Coming Back

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First time poster, and a very well thought out opinion. What’s not to like?

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I also requested a few things to get started on the 2016 year of Source gaming since I am a patron:

Roundtable of several smash fan games and connecting it with Sakurai’s struggle between heralding the game and passing it down to others. Another would be a review on Untold History of Japanese Game Developers Volumes 1 and 2 when it comes to translations and content of the interviews.

I will strongly hope that Source Gaming will succeed beyond Smash.

If the Source team really wants to have a finale of Smash content, they could make a direct interview with Masahiro Sakurai so that the maker of smash and others will be better respected by the people across the world.

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mrjbrpg is our biggest supporter on patreon! We will be doing our best to honor his requests! After I finish my writeup on The Case for Smash NX, I plan on investigating The Untold History of Japanese Game Developers.

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Some people keep saying Super Smash Bros is about celebrating Nintendo, but from the very beginning Smash Bros has always been about whatever Sakurai wants it to be. Nintendo characters were not added to Dragon King: The Fighting Game because Sakurai wanted to celebrate Nintendo, but because he felt the game needed more character appeal. Adding third party characters is consistent with this line of thought. I’m sure that a Smash Bros game with just Nintendo characters would be successful, but I’m also sure that a Smash Bros game with a good number of third party characters would be even more successful. — The Barrel is Half-Full
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The Barrel is Half-Full spurred a lot of discussion. It’s not something I 100% agree with, but I still think it’s a valid argument. A lot of people see Smash as a celebration of Nintendo. Now, I’m a Nintendo fan-boy through and through so I wouldn’t mind a full-on celebration of Nintendo. I just personally think the series has outgrown that, and has the potential to reach a wider audience with the inclusion of more 3rd parties.

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https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros./Debug_Menus#Battle_Debug

The Debug Menu could potentially provide some insight in the order the characters were selected…..because the first four listed within it happen to be Mario, Fox, DK, and Samus (the “original four” mentioned in this article).

Luigi is rather high up on the list (he actually falls right after those four), Falcon is a bit lower (actually coming before Kirby and Pikachu), and Jigglypuff and Ness are the last two listed. —On Character Choices: Smash 64

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The idea that Jigglypuff was added to “fill in the last slot once occupied by Marth” is most likely wrong for two reasons.

1) The order in which the characters are listed internally suggests that Ness was the last character added to the roster, not Jigglypuff.

2) While Marth was indeed planned for SSB64, there’s not much to suggest he made it so far that he was the last to be cut. I’m not sure Marth even made it past planning. There’s more evidence that Bowser made it further. On Character Choices: Smash 64

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Comments that correct us are my favorite. I encourage all the writers to source as much as possible (well it is in our name). That way we can be fact-checked. If everyone assumes what we are saying is 100% true, then it could lead to the same exact situation that led to the creation of The Definitive Unused Fighter List, that is something that’s just accepted as truth because no one bothered to check.

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I don’t think no-third party characters is a good option, they just need to keep in mind to not add so many, in this Smash there were too many third-party chars, but cutting them in the next game would make a lot of people sad just like happened with Snake and I don’t think it would make any significant number of people happy. Actually, looking at some character, I think third-party characters were a good choice (in moderation), Nintendo or not, some of these *are* important to Nintendo, and some even feel like they have always been part of Nintendo despite being not being first-party.
I mean, for example, Megaman, I didn’t even played his games too much, but he’s a very much important icon, as an icon, maybe he’s almost as important to Nintendo than he is for Capcom, and maybe he’s more important to Nintendo and it’s “iconography” in pop culture than some Nintendo’s own characters already in Smash, It feels natural for him.
Sonic on the other hand… Was partially created because of Mario, he is so many times paired with Mario by fans that he almost feels part of it and not just an “wannabe”, not even considering than he’s a big game icon, Smash is one of the best ways to keep on the good side of important companies like Sega.
Ryu is when the things started getting a little stretched, it doesn’t exactly fits the Smash concept, but it fits his own concept of making crossovers all the time in fight games, he has appeared in crossovers of so many characters not owned by Capcom that maybe Nintendo’s time had to come one time or another. (Er.. I think he’s like the Kevin Bacon of videogames. o___o) —The Barrel is Half-Full

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In the end, a moderate approach is probably for the best!

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If people think Sakurai is a liar, they should see Niitsuma from Capcom. A lot of Sakurai’s comments can be dismissed as changing his mind as time went on. Niitsuma deliberately made statements to mislead people. Two off the tp of my head.

He said they weren’t adding anymore Darkstalkers in MVC3. Fans understood this to mean Morrigan and Felicia were the only ones in it since they are the only two known about but it turned out Hsien Ko was in at the time he made the comment.

Another one, one which people say was “taken out of context” or “mistranslated” is where he said Sentinel wasn’t in the game during an interview. I don’t care what the audio file said, the article says Sentinel wasn’t in the game.

In stringing fans along, Niitsuma is way above Sakurai.

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I have something new to bring up to people when they say Sakurai is a troll. Thanks haruhisailormars!


Is there a comment I should have highlighted? Let me know in the comments! (har har!)

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3 comments
  1. Sent you some sources to go over. Multiple people giving different examples for excluding characters caused Capcom to get labelled trolls. Some excuses given were definitely “on the spot” answers and not well thought out like Sakurai. There may be translation issues involved with Niitsuma but saying you won’t add anymore characters from a franchise seems like trying to mislead people to me.

    haruhisailormars on January 10 |
  2. Wow, I didn’t even know comments would be featured, I feel honored. Heh. Thanks. : )
    I can say that I agree with mjbrpg with the fan-games part. I’ve played them only very few times, and sometimes people simply dismiss it as bad or un-worth to look at. I disagree a lot with them, those games like Smash Flash, Crusade, Super Smash Land and others I don’t know of are very hard to do, and anyone can see that the people who worked on it were very dedicated. It would be cool if they weren’t ignored completely, they’re a specific part of the fandom afterall, one that is inspired by Smash to make and design their own games, what is very cool, they probably understand Sakurai’s point of view more than most since they made their own version.

    Ar on January 10 |
  3. I was surprised that my comment would be featured as honorable mentioning. I’m also glad that my comment made you happy, and I really thank you too!

    It is painful to see how many fans out there are making so many mistakes about Smash Bros. and Sakurai’s situation. Although Sakurai stated the DLC production will be completely over after Corrin and Bayonetta’s release, they still believe Sakurai is lying for no reasons and bringing out false information that more will come which includes Wolf. Sakurai never lies at any point, and if he did, he’d been terminated and cancelled the project from the very first place instead. These fans refuse to wake up from their disordered dreams and accept the truth and reality, and it is really disappointing how many fans are being extremely childish on these things. Seriously, these fans need to be more wise to understand how Smash really works, and nothing is meant to be simple as they think.

    Although I may still like more, I do think this is the limit for Smash 4, and I am satisfied how the roster is now as it seems perfect than before. I’m enjoying Cloud as well, and I can’t wait to play Corrin and Bayonetta. And eventually, although not promising, I can still hope for more if Smash 5 will be planned, but definitely not expecting anything so I won’t be disappointed later on. Furthermore, no matter how many people are still disappointed with Sakurai for no reasons, I’m still thanking Sakurai for doing such a great work for us Smash fans.

    Once again, Thank You!

    zoniken on January 15 |