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Happy New Year! I’m back from my extensive vacation, and feeling refreshed and pumped for the Switch Event next week! Let’s take a look at what you guys had to say.

As far as the format goes, I some mixed responses from the LiveStream reaction. Some people enjoyed the fact that it was more discussion based, while others found the format inconvenient. In the future, I might try it again but keep track of when I respond to certain comments, and record gameplay separately. I might try that for next week.

This article looks at comments made from December 20th- January 3rd

There’s a lot of comments to respond to — over 16 pages (Usually I have 5 pages to respond to!). I’m sorry in advance if I don’t respond to your comments.

Remember, don’t insult other posters. If you insult other posters, your post that you might have spent so much time on might not get approved, and thrown in the trash. Stay classy!

backup368

It really depends, and I could see it going either way (or a mixture). If there is indeed only 2, then the 2 characters they select will be super important, and will need to appeal to a very wide audience. They could still draw in the casual market who didn’t buy the DLC with just the DLC, which was loaded with 3rd Party additions though.

MagcargoMan

Inklings should be in regardless. They don’t need to be saved. The sooner they get in the better.

Brandon said it best in his reply to you:

“I think Ryu and Cloud deserve better than being DLC fodder. They should be headlining Smash 5 as the big third party newcomers.”

Sakurai has stated he doesn’t think of future installments when working on a Smash game. He doesn’t hold back on characters like that.

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Not bad choices, and I’d largely agree with you (as you probably heard). Slime could have a moveset made for him…it’s not impossible. He’s had his own series of games, but I do think he’d work better as an AT. For a Dragon Quest character, I think the newest protaganist would make a lot of sense.

KL-Cobalt

KL-Cobalt

After Disney shut down Disney Infinity, I believe they said they were open to other companies using their IPs in games again. Also, Disney would like Mickey and Mairo to eventually meet! Disney and Nintendo are kind of in similiar positions. Both own legacy IPs and use their IPs for capital. I would love to see Sora in Smash, and I think it’d happen eventually — I just don’t think it’d happen now.

MagcargoMan

Yeah, I realized when I was trying to get my Famicom Disk System working that the formatm wasn’t very convenient. As mentioned above, I’ll try something slightly better in the future (maybe pick out responses first?). The issue is if I try to respond to something that’s indepth, it becomes a bit annoying to read the full comment.

The leak that NantenJex was referring to was SuperMetalDave’s leak of Nintendo’s budget. It had the code names for the games. I wish I actually posted this on SG, but based on the codenames I was able to figure out what they would be. “Stars” being a Mario Party game and “Tarte” being a Kirby game. Oh well.

About Fire Emblem: I really don’t know either. Six is really pushing it.

backup368

I love the MK series. I grew up on it. I think it’d be a bit odd to see him in Smash. I haven’t really seen MK around in Japan (and neither Rayman), so I think that might hurt its’ chances…especially as Sakurai sees Smash as a way to promote Japanese games.

haruhisailormars

I think part of it is having to wait too long, but another issue is the shift in mangement and the vaccum that was left after Iwata’s passing. Iwata really was the glue that held Nintendo together.

I’ll do better to improve it in the future!

Hope you had a good holiday!

anonymous SG fan

Sakurai does consider franchise balance when deciding characters. It’s outlined in his 2008 GDC speech. (#4)

Troykv

It really does!

backup368

The white hood is certianly the most iconic aspect of the character. To be honest, I didn’t realize there were other characters in the Assassin Creed games (I avoided the series) until much later. I think Rayman fits better thematically than Ezio, but Ezio wouldn’t be unwarranted.

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You are going to love LIQUID12A’s aritcle on post-salt from Brawl and Smash for Wii U/3DS.

Personally spaking, adding Roy and Corrin as part of the 7 character lineup for DLC was the tipping point for me. I didn’t mind Lucina’s addition (she’s just a clone, who really didn’t take up that much time). Robin’s addition was refreshing. It’s just that of the 7 characters we got, 2 were from a series I personally have little connection to. I’ve tried FE multiple times…it’s just not my cup of tea. So having them wasn’t exciting for me. Really…if you didn’t like RPGs you got Ryu and Bayonetta for DLC.

Anonymous SG Fan

Completely agree.

Triple S

Shantae would be a great addition to have, but I don’t think she’s likely.

HeroOrTraitor

A lot of people are saying they believe Ice Climbers will be the sole veteran to come back. I agree with you though — I would love to have Snake come back. I even did a discussion about Snake in Smash!

anonymous SG fan

The issue with the fanbase is that we often convince ourselves of made up rules. “Oh we need more villains. But there’s not really any good villains. DK deserves more reps. It needs to be King K. Rool so it fills all these blanks”. Not saying K. Rool doesn’t have its’ fans (he certainly does) but a lot of the support felt like bandwagoning instead of genuine support.  Sakurai has stated numerous times that he needs to be like the chef — he needs to understand what his customers want without asking them. That being said, I think K. Rool is more likely because he falls in a similar position as Geno. And we know Geno almost made it into Brawl.

awesomeaussie27

Welcome! Enjoy your stay!

MEMORY MAN! (@realmemoryman3)

Yeah, we know.

Igiulaw

Sorry, that Shovel Knight scenario did not happen.

Handy Man

Haven’t seen you in awhile! How have you been?

Clearly everyone wants Goku!

Michael

I believe I suggested Steve to LIQUID12A when he was writing this article. I guess he didn’t go with it :3

Peridot Gem

I agree with your ranking.

Anime9001

Once on Twitter and again in a Famitsu column!

backup368

I need to look at that interview still (It came out when I was on vacation) but I believe he was looking to take the gun off the robot for another figure. So it might not be a robot in particular.

Anthony Acquilano

A Disney x Nintendo racing game would make a lot of sense. There were also Disney cart games made by Rare back in the day!

MagcargoMan

He was never presented as that during ANY of the presentations, the shop details, anything.

 

 

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  1. I guess what I meant was that franchise representation is only one of the criteria when choosing characters, so that focusing on only franchise representation when talking about excluding a character isn’t a convincing argument. I think before the DLC, people thought of franchise representation as a ‘golden rule’ in terms of the Smash roster, when now we can see it’s obviously just one of many factors that influences the roster.

  2. Fire Emblem at this rate will become a front runner yet people refuse to understand it’s success. People are just mad they didn’t get K Rool and I understand that. But it’s been long overdue to leave Corrin alone already.

    1. It had two successful games in recent history. One of which kind of had the perfect storm of riding off of a previous game’s success, tons more marketing than the others got, and even a nice dose of controversy to boost sales. You have no guarantee that it can keep up the momentum.

      1. You would’ve had a point there if it wasn’t for the fact Smash didn’t revive the series: Awakening did. All Smash did was give exposure and a chance. If Awakening failed the series was done for anyway.

        I’m pretty sure if Fire Emblem wasn’t anything, Nintendo would’ve refused the idea of SMT X FE. Like what happened with Star Fox Warriors. Tokyo Mirage Sessions is a giant love letter to FE. This happened on the same year with Fates.

        FE got weebs, otakus and many casuals attention once it went anime. Especially with how much Nintendo’s been giving it much attention and even giving it a mobile game. It wouldn’t make sense if Fire Emblem didn’t go anywhere afterward.

        1. I know it was Awakening, I’m just saying that it might not stand the test of time. Two games are hardly enough to establish a trend; not when the majority did “meh.”

          Also, Star Fox Warriors? Never heard of that pitch. And that pop idol “love letter” really just made fans of both series angry. Super Saiyan Marth.

          1. Nah as long as the series keeps bringing solid games with 3d cutscenes and gameplay. It will maintain it’s fame somewhat.

            The developers of Hyrule Warriors offered to make a Warriors for Star Fox and Nintendo refused the idea. Because of how nothing the series is currently. Some still enjoyed it and at the end a song is sung with Fire Emblem’s main theme so uh…. It’s somewhat a love letter.

            1. I’m not so sure. The tactical genre has historically run hot and cold. It’s getting hot right now, but it could just as easily cool back down. I’m just saying that making it a “front runner” may be somewhat premature until it has proven that it can stand the test of time which up until this point, it has not.

              I think it might be more of how the Warriors formula is not very conducive to Star Fox. Limited supply of characters plus the series is vehicle focused, and not Mech vehicles. You cannot say for sure why the idea may have been shot down.

            2. Nah as long as it delivers with story and characters it will live on. That’s how it got popular in the first place. It’s characters. Not the gameplay. The CHARACTERS.

              The devs could’ve made something up. Nintendo were the ones who refused the concept. The dev(s?) didn’t give up on the idea, Nintendo did because Star Fox is not so popular currently. That is the most likely scenario with Nintendo’s neglectful behavior towards smaller titles.

            3. So uh you were saying Fire Emblem wouldn’t last the test of time? It got 4 new games. Hahah! I told you Nintendo wants it to be major.

      1. All Sakurai does is give exposure. ._. It’s up to the series to lift itself on it’s feet. Kid Icarus got more players bit failed to lift itself off it’s feet. Fire Emblem got more popular with casuals, anime lovers and weebs. It’s anime and support changing is what made everyone love it…. Y’know that right?

        Even if Corn cob wasn’t in the game, people would’ve saw the title of Fates and immediately think of Awakening and buy it.

          1. In a matter of opinion, yes. I enjoyed it regardless. It’s basically Fire Emblem but a slight focus toward side stuff so meh.

            1. It does seem to be getting a little…sidetracked. To be fair, that helps to a point since in some (Shadow Dragon) it’s really hard to care about most of the cast. But when it becomes a visual novel with a little strategy thrown in, well, they may have went too far.

        1. As a big FE fan, I think Awakening blew up because it was the first game since 9 to have support convos and the children mechanic from 4. Also it has fancy CG cutscenes showing a masked Marth fighting zombies. All the other games look pretty underwhelming and don’t present well.
          I think that’s why the new X-com games succeeded they made the games more cinematic and interesting visually than the older ones.

          I think the problem with Kid Icarus is that Nintendo hasn’t made another one. I even think Sakurai heading the project might make other devs antsy because their games might not stack up to his. That or Nintendo hasn’t found the right person for the job, or they going to show it in a week.

      2. Didn’t Sakurai once jokingly say that if people wanted a sequel to Uprising, they’d have to wait another 25 years?

        Because I certainly could see that. I’m happy Palutena got in considering she represents a new set of things in the series to base a moveset from (and she is the one who grants the powers in-game so it makes sense she uses them in Smash) but aside from that, Kid Icarus really didn’t get much when you look at it – two new stages, one in the Wii U and one in the 3DS, a few new items (Daybreak, Ore Club, Back Shield) and a bunch of enemies in Smash Run which was merely recycling assets.

        I’m not sure how exactly that translates into anything, but maybe Nintendo IS making a sequel to Uprising, or would make one eventually without Sakurai directing it. Kirby seems to be doing good despite not being under Sakurai (it’s obvious the current director is a huge fan of Super Star, which is a good thing.)

        The future is always bright.

        1. It wouldn’t surprise me. And quite frankly after the shilling of it Smash 4 I wouldn’t mind either. I don’t want to see Kid Icarus again unless it goes in a direction different from Uprising and not made by Sakurai. I didn’t like the writing and plot, and the controls made it much less enjoyable for me.

          Kid Icarus got more new content in Smash 4 than these bigger series:
          – Donkey Kong
          – Yoshi (well this one’s sort of close to Mario so I guess it makes sense)
          – Wario (even if you separate Wario Land and WarioWare either of them is still bigger than KI)
          – Kirby (only just)
          – Pikmin
          – Metroid
          – Star Fox
          – F-Zero
          – Animal Crossing

          It was one of the few series to have a new stage in both versions, it has the third-most amount of items in the game, the most Smash Run enemies with nineteen of them (more than Mario:Nintendo’s flagship franchise) and Palutena is the only non-Mii Fighter character to have custom specials that are actual different moves.

          Also I found it rather lame how most of her specials are just stuff other characters have like a reflector, counter and warp. Most of the powers don’t suit her; they should have gave her more attacks involving light.

          1. I can’t say I agree, I loved Uprising and wanted more. If Sakurai wasn’t going to give it a shot, either occupied with a new project or continuing to work on Smash (again), my only hope would be another director to take the helm.

            The only thing I would change would be the controls, but since the Switch is likely the new system to take it, it would be less gimmicky and a less of a strain on players. (Despite that, I did get used to it, Dillon’s Rolling Western shares the same control scheme, so yeah…)

            And again, really most of the content of Kid Icarus doesn’t seem to be that much, sure cite the Smash Run enemies, but when you’ve already got assets to make the job easier, wouldn’t you take advantage of that?

            (And five new items? Really? That’s five more than what it had in Brawl, where Animal Crossing had an item before it even got a character, and there isn’t much from other series you mentioned. What kind of item could you get from F-Zero, Pikmin? Oh yeah, Pikmin got an item in SSB4 – one more than it had in Brawl)

            The powers in Uprising functioned similar to the moves in Smash as it was, and we did get light powers, Autoreticle, her Up Smash, etc.

  3. “…he needs to understand what his customers want without asking them.” Yet he keeps getting our orders wrong.

    1. You mean ‘your’ order wrong; Smash has millions of fans and Sakurai knows that he can’t possibly please everyone.

      1. Didn’t I tell you to stop trolling me? I am not the only one unhappy with what he’s done. Also, that entire analogy is highly arrogant as he thinks he knows what we want more than us. If you went to a restaurant and ordered a steak and they gave you chicken, would you be happy?

        1. If out of 58 characters you are still unsatisfied with your options, you might want to try a different ‘restraunt’.

          1. Actually, I’m quite satisfied with the base roster, and even most of the DLC, but he crossed a line in the last wave. Also, don’t bother responding to this if you can’t do it without being rude.

            1. So out of all of those choices only a handful of those dishes were not to your particular taste, and maybe they weren’t intended for you personally. Then why blame the chef?

            1. Because there is no evidence of Corrin being demanded.

              Meanwhile, Nintendo is pretending Fire Emblem is a major IP and Sakurai’s dev team encouraging him to put Corrin in. Hmmm…

            2. Again, burden of proof is on you to prove there was no demand. Also you should probably stop mentioning that second point, its not exactly helping your argument.

  4. Is it bad I get a sense of dread every time these articles pop up because I know I’m gonna be one of the featured comments? 😛

    “Not saying K. Rool doesn’t have its’ fans (he certainly does) but a lot of the support felt like bandwagoning instead of genuine support.”

    With all due respect, that’s bull****. I think you underestimate how many of us grew up with the DKC games and/or Donkey Kong 64. He’s the main villain of the DK series (his Smash 4 trophy even compares him to Bowser) and has a lot of potential with his surprising agility for a heavyweight and his multi-purpose blunderbuss. I can’t speak for others but getting up to K. Rool in the original Donkey Kong Country for the first time was a very memorable moment, especially after you get the first three hits on him and he starts raining cannonballs down, which usually lined up just in time with when the music shifts to the awesome rock part. He and his crew were also arguably the best part of the cartoon. He’s just such an important part of DK’s history, and I don’t understand how some people can act like not appearing in two games in a row somehow erases all that.

    You really want to know a bandwagon character with next to no genuine demand? Sceptile. Nobody asked him prior to Greninja’s reveal, and people only wanted him out of some OCD need to complete the starter triangle. In fact, I’m positive this demand for him in Smash is what lead to him getting into Pokken Tournament, which is fine there, but he really is not popular enough to be in Smash. In fact, I distinctly remember Grovyle being more popular than him in the Brawl days. He was the Grass starter people wanted, mainly due to the one in Mystery Dungeon.

    1. “He’s just such an important part of DK’s history, and I don’t understand how some people can act like not appearing in two games in a row somehow erases all that.”

      I think part of that is mostly due to the fact that despite the history involved, most of Smash 4’s newcomers were based on games that occurred between Brawl and Smash 4’s release cycle. Obviously Duck Hunt (Duo) was the exception, but every other newcomer that was not 3rd party had a game release between those games.

      And it’s fairly easy to see why K. Rool wasn’t in: The DK games that came out didn’t have him as the main villain – and that was done on Retro’s part in order to separate themselves from Rare’s legacy – because they knew that following Rare was a tough act to follow, considering how revered the original DKC games are.

      I know plenty people see Smash as a game that celebrates Nintendo’s legacy, and I know how much K. Rool means as a part of Donkey Kong’s history, but if the character didn’t show up in a major role – when the general theme of the newcomers are new blood and new interest – then it would be a bit odd for a character to show up who isn’t based on that. The addition of Duck Hunt was odd, but we usually always get a retro rep in some form or fashion, and I don’t think K. Rool has hit that threshold.

      As far as bandwagoning is concerned: While K. Rool was always a popular choice, I don’t think anyone could deny that when Sakurai put his foot down on Ridley, that there was a significant increase of volume in backing K. Rool. K. Rool did become the new Ridley – and as it stands who knows if K. Rool will make it in – it all depends on if they are willing to listen to fans or if there would be a new Donkey Kong game that features K. Rool as a prominent role.

      “You really want to know a bandwagon character with next to no genuine demand? Sceptile. Nobody asked him prior to Greninja’s reveal, and people only wanted him out of some OCD need to complete the starter triangle. In fact, I’m positive this demand for him in Smash is what lead to him getting into Pokken Tournament, which is fine there, but he really is not popular enough to be in Smash. In fact, I distinctly remember Grovyle being more popular than him in the Brawl days. He was the Grass starter people wanted, mainly due to the one in Mystery Dungeon.”

      And Sceptile/Grovyle were outdated by the time those games came out. I think the issue there is mostly promoting the latest flavor in Pokemon, and even then, Pokemon that have become fan favorites like Lucario and Greninja will likely not go out of style. Pokemon Trainer and later Charizard seem to be an exception there because Pokemon Trainer represented team balance and Charizard’s popularity as well as being already there in a sense helped him become a sole character.

      1. I’ve always found following what’s recent and only adding the flavour of the month rather cynical and short-sighted, since it relies on a contemporary popularity that could easily wane in the future. Smash 4’s roster is gonna look incredibly dated in a few years, and half the newcomers are pushed aside for whoever’s recent in the next. Brawl did it better by having a good mix of old school, modern and in-between characters.

        Sakurai’s made it pretty clear he doesn’t care about Donkey Kong beyond his arcade roots. It got the bare minimum in Smash 4 despite DKC being revived with two big new games.

        I don’t think you understood my point about Sceptile.

        Off-topic, but I didn’t notice it was you at first. I thought it was a new user because of that avatar.

  5. Might be too ridiculous to implement but I think for a Dragon Quest Hero they could make it like Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings and have the Main characters from Dragon Quest 1-8 since they do all have relatively the same build (slender young man), skills (lightning magic, can equip the boomerang, cast healing magic, have Gigagash), and weapons (Hell the Heroes from 4-6 all use the Zenithian equipment). 9 and 10 do have a customizable character so there there’s no default unlike the other games although 4 does have a gender select option.

    It’s why I never understood the Slime pick, the heroes are good choices, although I do think them making different 8 models might be too much of a chore since they might play similar to Link.

  6. Censored Gaming has a great video on the history of Mortal Kombat in Japan. While the newer games’ retail releases are outlawed, there is a cult following that holds televised tournaments.

    Rayman Legends was a Wii U exclusive in Japan and published by Nintendo there.

    While Smash Bros. does feel like a vast franchise, there is no global precense, & there aren’t that many third party characters left that would feel special. Apart from Bayonetta and possibly Snake, all the 3rd party characters are actual gaming icons. Including characters for promotional short term endeavors is fine, I keep hearing a Dragon Quest character mentioned here and there, but would that character draw money is another story. Sakurai has said that Japan need more top 10 worldwide sales, well he should know by now that Smash Bros is not going to send American gamers in droves to Gamestop for the latest Fire Emblem.

  7. The rage some people have against FE will never stop being funny. Fire Emblem has become a strong pillar in Nintendo’s lineup and continues to generate strong merchandise sales. Fire Emblem Mobile is only going to make the IP bigger. It’s time for people to grow up and accept reality.

      1. But it was successful and Nintendo is now going out of it’s way to promote FE and feature multiple titles with it’s name. Fire Emblem got off lucky and is managed to get on Animal Crossing and DK’s level.

  8. First of all, thanks for that – I liked being reminded that Disney Infinity is done and over with. Sure we got Marvel VS Capcom infinite out of it (Maybe it could come to the Switch, please thank you?) but the ramifications of not having a 4.0 and not getting the Keyblade by default (I have to buy most of the 3.0 characters) or other Kingdom Hearts themes… I’m honestly not sure if I liked that. Granted Disney completely bombed with Infinity with content (aside from Star Wars, 3.0 was lacking in content, especially from Disney.) but that’s another deal.

    On that note, I’m still not entirely sure on Sora for Smash. I really don’t want to pull out another reason, because not presenting it all up front now makes it seem like I’ll just be making excuses to keep him out, so all I can say is that despite all the events happening with Disney in terms of games and copyright and whatnot, I… Still don’t see Sora appearing in Smash – at all.

    Disney may be easier to work with now, but they weren’t for a while. And I feel that if Disney were to do anything in relation to Smash, they would rather want to see their more well known cartoon characters instead of Sora – even if Sakurai requested him specifically.

    But the idea of a racing game sounds great.

  9. I think I’ll have to slightly disagree with Peridot Gem’s rankings on Nintendo’s minor franchises. F-Zero got two tracks and a cart in Mario Kart 8, Chibi Robo got Zip Lash a while back, and Mother had Earthbound Beginnings released on the Virtual Console. On the other hand, I don’t think Golden Sun has had any notable news in quite a long time (the second game isn’t even on the Virtual Console if I’m not mistaken). I’m a huge fan of Golden Sun and I really want there to be a new game, but I don’t think it’s even on the scale of those other three at the moment. I can only hope for the future.

    1. F-Zero hasn’t gotten a game in a long time though, Only references due to him showing up in Smash.

      I don’t really think Chibi-Robo is all that major…. Only 5 games after all.

      Shame. If only the series would return.

      1. I didn’t mean to imply that those three were major, just that if the series towards the top of the list were more relevant/important than the ones at the bottom, then Golden Sun has less power than the others in its category.

        1. My bad. But F-Zero and Golden Sun and Chibi Robo technically share the shame rank since they all have As no A+s…. No A-…..

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